Big Bang Bar

[metallik]

Something odd with the game design.. on the left orbit, the bottom 2" of wall is missing, with what appears to be a rubber pad there in its place, recessed slightly. I'm guessing this is factory design, so late shots coming from the UR flipper don't pound the wall there, but the problem is right orbit shots coming around the left side catch the post below this section (next to the drop targets) and fly off to the right instead of continuing to the left flipper.

Is this by design, or am I missing a part, or do I need to tweak the wall slightly (not sure if it can be tweaked enough to get the ball by that post though).

I'd also suggest cleaning the playfield with Novus2 and possibly waxing it to remove any residual tackiness from the clearcoat (to reduce airballs) .. then dial the flipper strength down to 10 or so so it plays normally :) I still need to adjust the looped in space bar rail a bit, the ball from the right alien needs a little bump to get it to roll down...

Otherwise, plays like a dream! Awesome game..

[pinsane]

Hey Larry,

Congrats on getting your game! The black rubber pad is present on the original Capcom prototypes.



You may need to adjust this, as a ball coming from the right orbit should not be deflected by the post below this guide.



steve

[metallik]

Thanks for the pics! Mine's recessed slightly, with the bottom side to the left of the post. I'll fiddle and see what it takes to bring it out some.

[metallik]

Okay, looked at this more and I don't think a tweak is going to be enough... Either the rubber that they used is the wrong size, or the wall isn't screwed into the playfield in the right spot. I don't think it is that, however, since the wall drops back a bit furthur than the width of the rubber (at the point furthest from the player) so even there the rubber isn't wide enough.

I talked to another person with a BBB and theirs was the same way. Do other people have this rubber recessed back from the post and do your orbit shots fly off to the right as a result?

[sellenoff]

[metallik]

Fortunately, there does appear to be a simple way :)

Pull the rubber off the wall.. it's just stuck there and should come up without too much difficulty. Get some thin foam double-stick tape (I think the stuff I used was 1/16" wide) and build it up on the back of that black rubber. I stairstepped them by running a piece across the whole back, then another to about 2/3 of the way to the far end, then another up to 1/3 of the way, then another piece across these to 'smooth' it out. There needs to be more towards the post end of the rubber to make up the difference in spacing. Stick it to the wall and see how it lines up I got lucky - the first time I applied mine it was in the perfect spot to continue the wall down and send the ball *just* past the post. You may have to experiment a bit if it's off first time. So far the orbits are all hitting the left flipper now. We'll see how it holds up... have to see if repeated hits smush the tape at all or if it comes unstuck, but the tape was stickier than what was on the rubber to begin with...

[BBB94]

My game too had the recessed rail. I wanted to Novus 1 the green tube ramp inside and out, so I took it out. (Note: You might want to tie a string to the connector before pulling the tube ramp out (when and if you do - like for ring installation). Since I was part way there, I removed the left plastic that covered the rail. I unscrewed that side of the rail (two top screws, and one bottom-side nut. I noticed that the rail lined up with the art work and the edge of the rubber post better if it was moved out a bit, so I filled the hole closest to the post with a wood plug and glue and drilled a new hole. The ball zips around great. The old hole is concealed by the rail tab and is underneath the plastic, so the change is not the least bit noticable.

I also replaced the rubber pads with same dimension weather stripping as the clear plastic did not look like it was meant to stay and I did not like the idea of having a tacky (sticky) exposed surface. The weather stripping foam is not as dense, but I have not noticed any ill effects yet. Unfortunately I only noticed the Left orbit and the Dartz rubber pad while I was tweaking. I missed the one on the Ball Buster side of the Star Bumpers - something for later.

[rhayes1]

On my game a right to left orbit is not deflected by the post. The metal rail about 3" above the post provides enough direction to the ball to miss the post. A shot from the upper right flipper that hits the black pad (or a left obit shot without enough force to make the turn at the top) is supposed to roll back down, hit the post and be deflected. At least that is how the original games I played were adjusted.

I distinctly remember that from a converastation my wife and I had with Steve Kordek one satuday night after an EXPO banquet. The three of us played Big Bang Bar at the Capcom exhibit from about 1:00 to 2:00 a.m. and discussed many of the unique aspects of the game. One of those was the interesting design tweak at the end of the right to left orbit. (He also explained why Wms. couldn't make a game like Big Bang Bar.)

Rob Hayes
BBB #18

[sellenoff]

[just plain rob]

[CraigC]

i adjusted the ball guide like in Steve's picture by bringing out the outer wall to be even with the post and parallel with the playfield art.

Used foam tape to bring out the thickness of the foam evenly.

Any reason why the post should deflect the ball? Seems that it would disrupt flow and draw the ball toward the "money maker" right outlane.

-c

[runner1717]

[rwsimpson]

Looking at the relationship of the post to the black foam on Steve's pictures and on Lloyd's BBB, I do not see how any shot will be deflected by the post.

Am I seeing this wrong. Steve, does yours deflect on a shot from the right upper flipper as described in the prior post?

Ross

[pinsane]

[CraigC]

100% agree with pinsane.

plays great after the change and you can trap and backhand the ramp from the left flipper (kinda tough but makable)

-c